Neil Scales and Merseytravel Spend £67,000,000 Of Your Money-Who Sanctioned This?

N eel Scales is shown walking around talking about his new plaything, the vandalised U534 U-Boat and when asked "And How Does this fit into Mersey Ferries"? he declares
"It is a concious decision" he goes on.................
"Investing in all 3 vessels the Pier Head New Ferry Terminal and SpacePort all together cost £67,000,000".
He says "Spaceport half a day, Beatles museum 2 hours and this (U534, cut up ) with the resturaunt attached 2 hours so you have a full day............So the whole purpose of this is to increase patronage of Merseyferries"  
A day out costs us £67,000,000 while care homes are closing on both Mersey sides, somehow it does not seem sensible.

Miserytravel............Out of Control why don't they just concentrate on getting the buses and trains to run on time.
£67,000,000 of your money spent on misaligned strategies that need to be questioned.
£4.2 million to cut up U534......did they own it.........or was it held in trust.
 http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-did-merseytravel-spend-42-million.html
All this wastage when the Manxman is being scuppered,
 http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/08/ss-manxman-do-you-care.html and will soon be scrapped, if it has not been done so already.
 http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/04/ss-manxman-its-over-its-scrap-and-its.html

The Whimbrel fund cant get the cash to bring an intact ship home, to the Battle of the Atlantic Port. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/12/hms-whimbral-what-ever-happened-to.html

£17,000 would have saved the MV Wincham being cut up by morons, who-ever was to blame they should have been scrapped http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/wincham-scrapped.html
Where is our sense of history http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/05/mv-wincham-and-museum-director-in.html How much more can we lose with badly thought through ideas from people who I would not let steer a pram never mind a heritage based organisation.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/lynch-em-over-whincham.html


The Daniel Adamson Trust would love some money so the hard working volunteers can restore it.
http://www.danieladamson.co.uk/

And down the road, at Ellsmere Boat Museum, the forgotton home of numerous decaying ships, where they cant even raise a whip round for a box of teabags.
Wouldn't it have been common sense to make them a donation of U534 with a million quid to train apprentices..................no thats common sense. Miserytravel and its Director or should I say U-Boat Disector, Out of Control.

SS Manxman-Its Over, Its Scrap. And Its Crap..

The asbestos is being removed ready for the big cut up. It looks like the curtain has come down and we are just waiting for the fat lady to sing. There has been a declaration that the breakers will auction off the good stuff. The brassy bits, that is worth some dosh. That’s no good to those that care about Maritime History. Once its gone it wont be coming back. What is the next generation going to think about what has been done in the rebranding of a city where the superlambanana replaces the Liver bird as the symbol of the city because it is easy to understand that the kiddies like it, they can draw it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/03/superlambanana-land.html  Or on it. Should we just rename the city Grosvenor-pool. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/02/grosvenor-pool-putting-co-into.html and get on with it.  How much more can we allow to be destroyed by the likes of Neil Scales the purveyor of bad sculpure and public art, http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/07/liverpool-european-capital-ofbad.html who cut the historic submarine U-534 that was pulled from a Norwegian Fjord? When the historic warships collection was scrapped. Or the Wincham travesty. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/MV%20Wincham  Our museums don’t care. MV Wincham was scrapped right in fron of their eyes http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/wincham-scrapped.html  by morons. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/wincham-scrapped.html  There has been a valiant effort led by the work, above and beyond the call of duty, the man who knows everything about ships and maritime history in Liverpool, Peter Elson. Though critical of the Daily Post, http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/02/daily-peel-trinity-smoking-mirrors.html  Peter is a last bastion of everything that the Liverpool Daily Post and Echo should have been. Instead, it is a dead man walking with the drivel of property developer’s vested interests and placation of council blundering and promotion of world heritage disaster. Instead of promoting Peel holdings they should be asking why Peel Holdings have scuppered the plans to save the SS Manxman by retracting a berth for it. They want to walk all over the city yet give nothing back. Questions need to be asked as to why the backward thinking paper, is not looking backwards to helping to promote the need to protect Liverpool’s Maritime past, well apart from Peter. A campaign was launched by the Daily Post, by Peter Elson who probably cant sleep at night thinking about the rusting hulks clattering together in some graveyard dock, being denied the true requisite of attention needed to save them to bring them here to Liverpool, set them up, make Liverpool a Maritime City as it world heritage inscription declares.

Where has the Manxman cash gone? The Chairman of the trustees Bill Ogle will not pass it over to another trust set up to make an effort to save the ship instead of letting it rot. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/12/ss-manxman-lies-rusting-its-disgraceful.html

Where is the cash that was raised I am aware that several people committed over One and a half thousand pounds. The Earl of Derby gave a grand. But one or two grand to some may not be a lot. I know some who contributed a tenner and a blue one who couldn’t afford it but felt so sharp about it.

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/SS.Manxman

Don’t you think Peel Holdings could help and make it a feature of Wirral Waters. Give something back instead of take, take, take.

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/01/liverpool-waters-developer-peel-unveils.html  

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/04/peel-holdings-asset-stripping-liverpool.html

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/03/peel-holdings-want-pier-head-stinky-ink.html

MV Wincham and the Museum Director in Denial

CUT OUT THE ROT IN OUR INSTITUTIONS NOT OUR HISTORY.

After the appalling and galling decision to scrap the Wincham which was berthed at The Albert Dock. Top Knob at Liverpool museums David "Fuzzy Felt" Fleming has hit the roof with all the negative publicity being created.
In my opinion this pathetic twasser has no idea what the public think about the mess that he has turned Liverpool Museums into and the spin off from his public spat with the "Fiends of NML" has more than helped to contribute to the scrapping of this historic vessel. And it appears he does not care. In my opinion the inward destruction he has caused to Liverpool's historic landscape by setting out to further his career at our expense with the plan to build a new museum bang slap in the middle of the world heritage site is immense. This whole push to build this museum is affecting huge chunks of our, the publics institution, whether directly or indirectly and the full weight will not be felt for years, and it annoys me. What also annoys me is that he will bugger off when he has destroyed the whole spirit of Liverpool Museums. He knows how to complain his wife/partner Alison Hastings is also a member of the press complaints commission.

Peter Elsons latest column which has got him all wound up.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2009/04/20/peter-elson-s-shipping-lines-lottery-wants-its-money-back-from-scrapped-historic-liverpool-ship-100252-23424431/

NML has destroyed the Historic Ferry Bell see previous blog
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/national-museums-liverpool-destroy.html
Manchester Dock which predated the Albert by 60 years
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/03/manchester-docks-obliterated.html
He has upset all his staff and now should share responsibility, in my opinion, for the loss of the Wincham whether he likes to admit it or not.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/03/watching-detectives.html

Wayne Colquhoun

MV WINCHAM SCRAPPED BY MORONS

Wincham no more .

What a disastrous state of affairs when a historic ship on the "historic ships register" is sent off for scrap for five grand, by a bunch of washed up old farts masquerading as trustees.

They have a lot to answer for.

What is the function of the Merseyside Maritime Museum if it could not step in to save one of our landmarks...or should that be sea-marks at the Albert Dock?

Is this a pathetic power struggle between David "Fuzzy felt" Fleming the director of Liverpool Museums and Pam Brown and co of the now defunct Friends of NML?

If so you should all be ashamed of yourselves there was no need to scrap the ship at all and for 5 grand. It must have been worth fifty. Last week it sailed under its own steam to the ship repairers. This is like knocking your house down because it needs the roof re-slating.

Oh and where is all the brass ware and the ships wheel etc that the old fart trustees unbolted and distributed amongst themselves.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2009/04/20/peter-elson-s-shipping-lines-lottery-wants-its-money-back-from-scrapped-historic-liverpool-ship-100252-23424431/

LYNCH-EM OVER THE WINCHAM

HOW CAN WE BE A MARITIME AND Mercantile World Heritage Site and build EMPTY flats all over the WHS, and AT THE SAME TIME scrap one of our historic ships. ALL NML CURRENT FUNDING IS BOUND FOR THE NEW MUSEUM IT SEEMS, THE ONE TRACK MINDS AT NML NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THIS DISASTER.

SOME-ONE SHOULD BE FLOGGED FOR THIS.

IS THIS A CASE LIVERPOOL MUSEUMS DESTROY ING ANOTHER PIECE OF OUR HISTORY? WHY DID THEY STEP ASIDE FROM THE RESPONSIBILITY.

PICTURE TAKEN IN 1984.

http://nationalhistoricships.org.uk/index.cfm/event/getVessel/vref/504

Historic vessel MV Wincham for scrap
Apr 17 2009 by Alan Weston, Liverpool Daily Post

A MUCH-LOVED historic vessel is due to be scrapped next week after falling victim to a bitter feud between National Museums Liverpool (NML) and its members.
The preserved coastal cargo ship, Wincham, was moved from the Albert Dock a few weeks ago and is now on a slipway at a ship repair yard in Bromborough, where she will be broken up after being sold to a scrap dealer for around £5,000.
This is despite extensive restoration work being carried out following a £47,500 Lottery grant in 2001.
The Wincham has already been stripped of movable fittings and is now only a bare hulk.
The decision to scrap her was condemned by conservationists as “an unbelievable state of affairs”.
The estuarial coaster was owned by the Wincham Preservation Society, which was affiliated to and received most of its funding from the Friends of National Museums Liverpool.
But, when the 1,700-strong Friends group was disbanded in January, after relations between it and NML director Dr David Fleming broke down, the preservation society also lost its main source of income.
The society sold the Wincham for scrap after an annual survey found she would need £40,000 spent on her for essential repairs and maintenance, and to meet the cost of dry-docking facilities.
Discussions between the group and NML about converting the ship’s large hold into an educational “floating classroom” came to nothing.
A spokeswoman for the Friends said the ship’s fate showed that the consequences of the fall-out between the group and NML’s management were much bigger than originally thought.Bruce Porter, secretary of the Wincham Preservation Society, said: “Some of our volunteers have been involved with the preservation society for 20 years and they’re heartbroken. It’s like losing a valuable personal possession.
“After a proposed sale to another charity fell through, the shipyard negotiated a sale with a scrap dealer. We have no money and we have had to say goodbye to the vessel. It’s a decision that was not taken lightly and has saddened us all.”
The MV Wincham plied the Mersey waterways carrying chemicals between the ICI’s former Runcorn plant and Liverpool docks.
When the Weaver packet reached the end of her commercial life, she was bought by the preservation society in 1982 and used to give demonstrations of cargo handling to schoolchildren.
Martyn Heighton, chairman of the UK's Historic Ship Register committee, said: "The scrapping of the historic Mersey estuarial coaster Wincham is an unbelievable state of affairs.
“Wincham is in the top 300 of the 1,200 ships in the UK National Historic Fleet Register. We have not been informed or consulted about Wincham's deconstruction.
“Owners are obliged to seek alternative ownership before considering scrapping.”
Tony Tibbles, director of Merseyside Maritime Museum, said; “National Museums Liverpool (NML) is disappointed to learn that the Wincham Preservation Society has decided to scrap MV Wincham.
“NML was willing to co-operate with others, and explore options for her future preservation.
“However, we understand the vessel has been sold for scrap and the dismantling process has already begun. NML was not consulted or informed about the results of the survey or the repair costs until after this decision was made.”