ALL SAINTS - CHILDWALL 30 Pieces of Silver.

Jonathon Wild who set up a website http://savechildwallchurch.info/ has sent me a copy of a letter he has obtained stating that there may be an appeal over the Liverpool City Council planning committee refusal of the right to dig up a load of dead bodies in All Saints Childwall, that the church should be respecting, and build a toilet block on the site. It beggars belief that the Bishop James Jones will now be fronting it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/09/all-saints-childwall-and-pathetic.html
SOMEONE NEEDS TO STOP THE ROT AT THE CHURCH before its too late.

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/11/all-saints-childwall-disaster-waiting.html

ALL SAINTS - CHILDWALL

Statement by the Parochial Church Council (PCC) of All Saints Church, Childwall.
Proposed development projects
Church Extension (The Rotunda)
You may well be aware that at a Liverpool City Council planning committee meeting held on 6th September 2011 All Saints planning application for the proposed extension to the church was turned down. Various reasons for the refusal were stated in the minutes of the meeting.
Since this meeting, All Saints’ has obtained professional advice from its consultants and has also been in communication with the Diocese. An extraordinary meeting of the PCC was held on 3rd October when a number of ways forward were explored and discussed. These included not proceeding further with any sort of proposal; submitting a revised scheme, which would mean starting all over again; or appealing the decision made by the City Council.
The PCC was advised that, in our consultant’s opinion, the decision to refuse planning permission was seriously flawed and an appeal on planning grounds would have a very realistic chance of success. Notwithstanding this, the PCC was also aware that there was still a requirement to go through the faculty process (as we need full church authority approval to proceed in any event) and that there would probably also be a need for a full Consistory
Court hearing held in front of the Chancellor to the Diocese. There would also, at some stage in the process, be a need to undertake some trial hole excavation work (by the Diocesan
Archaeologist) in the area of the churchyard affected between the church and the footpath running parallel to the church. This would solely be in an area of graves of ancient origin (i.e. prior to 1880 where we have no cross referencing of graves to burials).

To enable due process to take place the above series of actions could well take up to the end of 2012 to be concluded.
At the end of the PCC meeting held on 3rd October a UNANIMOUS decision was taken by the PCC to proceed with an appeal, having taken all known factors into consideration. All Saints’ would also submit a faculty application in connection with the proposed works.

SUMMARY
The Bishop of Liverpool, James Jones, has agreed to be Patron of our development and is visiting the church on Sunday 29th January to officially launch our appeal for funding. This will obviously only be for the redevelopment of the Church Hall as it is not intended that we would commence fundraising for the extension to the church until after all the necessary approvals are in place. In the interim (i.e. between now and the end of 2012) all of our energies will be engaged on fundraising for the hall alterations and extensions, to enable the much needed additional facilities included within our plans for the hall to become a reality.
As far as the Rotunda is concerned an appeal with regard to the City Council’s refusal of planning permission and the separate submission of a faculty application to the church authorities will take place in due course.
This statement will be placed on All Saints’ official website today
16th October 2011

Judas and his chariot couldnt have done a more out of touch letter than this.

All Saints Childwall-And The Pathetic Diocese Of Liverpool, Out Of Touch, Out of Reach.

David Bartlett seems to have sold out, literally, his Dale Street Blues blog, has now become Dale Street Associates, giving a platform for his mates to put their ideas forward that would not usually be heard in the Daily Ghost. 

Talking of Ghosts, heres one for you, there's a church in Childwall that has a spare graveyard that no-one will notice if the local Church Disease, ermm, I mean Diocese whack an extension of top of.  And because those frocked types are all jolly good sorts no-one will object. Alleyuyha!
This time its Stuart Haynes for the church, on Bartletts blog, who gives us a misuided sob story about how those people who objected to the All Saints Plans, that were rejected by the planning committee, are standing in the way of the future. http://blogs.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/dalestreetblues/2011/09/if-we-are-to-preserve-the-past.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LiverpoolDailyPost-DaleStreetBlues+%28Liverpool+Daily+Post+-+Dale+Street+Blues%29


Only, its they, who got it wrong this time, over and over again they make the same mistakes.
How can you have such an out of touch regime as the Liverpool Church elders. Blaming everyone but themselves as usual.
Bishop James Jones was the Chairman of the Liverpool Echos, pitiful Stop the Rot Campaign, that saved nothing, someone should stop the rot at the Church.
http://www.liverpool.anglican.org/?p=34
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/01/08/bishop-of-liverpool-sued-by-bbc-100252-20325067/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/08/gayrights.religion

You may think, show a bit of respect here but my social contract with the local Diocese ended a long time ago when I attended a meeting at St James Church over plans to dig up 7000 bodies and build a block of flats on the churchyard. Poltergiest! St James Church Graveyard, a plague on your clergy's houses.

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
Are they all English Heretics at the Liverpool Diosese, or is it   just the ones I meet. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  


http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html 
 Here they usefacebook to promote  Mad Easter Party at St James.

So at last a bit of common sense by the planning comittee rejecting the montsrous plans to pile concrete over some poor dead persons skull, laid to rest, probally paying for the privilidge, in peace and tranquility.
Amen to those plans. Perhaps it wll teach the local clergy its they that need to learn respect for those they have to protect.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/09/07/extension-plans-for-all-saints-church-in-childwall-rejected-by-liverpool-council-92534-29376801/ Bartlett had written about the planning committee rejection, where he probably met Haynes. a Church Spooksmen said
“We remain convinced that our plans presented a visionary approach that enhanced the historic beauty of All Saints with facilities that would continue to enable this growing church to serve its community"
Is Ricky Pansdown behind this he usually is behind any ill tought out scheme proposed by the church.Here is a letter from George Fowler highlighting his concerns that appeared in the paper some time ago.



http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/11/all-saints-childwall-disaster-waiting.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOeYuvVGDPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childwall SAVE CHILDWALL CHURCH http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

Where now for the Doicese of Liverpool, pray for them,will you, they need help. 

In the meantime the powers in control wacked down the Welsh Chapel for a new era of..............being, a car park for Tesco.

GOD 'ELP US.http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/05/welsh-presbyterian-chapel-demolished-by.html

All Saints-Childwall-A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

This is a letter in todays Daily Ghost from Mr George Fowler.

I TOO was dismayed to read of the proposed cultural vandalism threatening Childwall Church. (Letters, November 4).


All Saints Church is beautiful, ancient and the most prominent feature of Childwall's history, its origins being mentioned in the Domesday Book.
It is the classic village church, standing in its own graveyard and garlanded in arboreal splendour. Its charm is owed to centuries of use and respectful care; its greatest value is as a symbol of religious constancy.
To tack on to this traditional church a modern, circular, extension – a so-called “church-rotunda” – would be tasteless to say the least.
Within the aged and straight(ish) churchyard walls would sit the ancient and straight-sided church, protruding from which would be a modern, circular church-carbuncle. It doesn't take Prince Charles to point out the obvious here!
The justification claimed for this desecration is vaguely given as it being part of an “Open to All” policy, and that the benefits of the “added uses” would outweigh the impact on the church setting and its historic fabric.
Well, on the other side of the (narrow) road a new church hall also is to be built, on the site of the current one. That is the proper place for secular activities and it should be designed accordingly.
All Saints Church, and its graveyard, are inspirational and visually splendid yet, sadly, the fabric and conventions within Childwall Church have already seen change in recent years with the loss of choir pews.
The church and grounds are not simply commercial assets waiting to be optimised; they are the very cherished image of Childwall itself. Those ambitious to embark upon superficial improvements should perhaps be reminded that they are only the stewards of Childwall's finest heritage, the essence of which has been sensitively preserved and passed down from generation to generation for 600 years or so. That is a very rich legacy, not one to be squandered, and I hope that we and future generations will continue to respect and enjoy it.

George Fowler, Childwall

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/letters-to-editor/2010/11/10/church-is-not-a-commercial-asset-92534-27630388/

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/10/04/extensive-revamp-planned-for-historic-childwall-church-100252-27393492/
It seems the Bishop James Chairman of the ECHO Stop the Rot campaign is getting his disciples to cover this with comments. You have to stop the rot at the church first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOeYuvVGDPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childwall


SAVE CHILDWALL CHURCH http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/07/henry-owen-john-same-old-english.html
What are English Heretics doing about it or the pathetic Conservation(sic) department of Liverpool City Council. They will probably put a shed on it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html

So here we have another attempt to dig up bodies by the Liverpool Arch Deacon and his crew.
We may have made them think about digging up 7,000 at St James Church in Toxteth.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html

Stop digging bodies up Bishop James.

 http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
I think its a pathological disorder in the Liverpool clergy, that they cant stop digging up graves.............Or do they not respect the dead and leave them alone.

St James Church-Liverpool’s Heritage at Risk No 4

This Church on the corner of Upper/Lower Parliament St and Park Lane may be the earliest remaining cast iron structure in Britain. Garade II*
This is the Church that had a giant neon Rabitt bolted to it without planning permission despite being in peril.
http://www.englishheritage.org.uk/upload/pdf/190609north_west_2009_har_register.pdf
PAGE 64 FOR LIVERPOOL
It is not a beautiful or monumental structure described by Picton as 'a plain brick building'. But this is none the less an historical architectural and engineering monument, of the greatest importance.

It is now owned by the Churches Conservation trust who, along with English Heretics http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  and the local Church elders are making, fools of themselves with plans to dig up 7000 bodies and build a block of flats on the graveyard……Poltergeist.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html
It is Norman in character with its small semicircular headed windows. Its architect was Cuthbert Brisbane who was working on land presented by Lord Sefton for a sum of £3000 raised by 27 shareholders prior to its construction. It was built in 1774-5.
Wrought iron and cast iron were to revolutionise church design and architecture in general in the 19th century. Here we see the precursor to the Albert Dock with its vaulted and iron columned spans and it also led to the more ordinary. Such as, Coleman’s Fireproof Repository, just up Park Lane. Cast Iron columns, the type we see in this Church are quatrefoil clustered, would make it able to build vast open spaces at minimum cost. Making it a valuable style of construction for Ecclesiastical designs.

There was an earlier church with pre-cast columns the Church of St Anne, in St Anne’s Street which was built in 1772. This has now been demolished.
This is on English Heretics National at Risk register and has been for a long time.

Bishop James Jones who supports the current scheme to smack a load of piles through the skulls and bones of the dead bodies in the graveyard, unmarked, as all the head stones have been removed should be ashamed of himself. This Church is more at risk from the people who should be looking after it than the elements. How sad. But how terrible would it be if it was vandalised or set on fire the same as was done St Andrews Church on Rodney Street. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html

£950,000,000 of European Objective One Money Liverpool has lapped up, by the fat cats, and you cant look after our heritage. Mr Bradley Fireman and Council leader, whose watch could make a visit with his appliance any day to put out a fire should take an interest. In Toxteth where his watch is, so much wasted opportunity still beckons decades after the Toxteth riots.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/St%20James%20Church

This once again is in the constituency of her shyness the “Dame of Dereliction” Louise Ellman, who is oblivious to neglect it seems to me.
Quentin Hughes was a Chairman of the then, now largely redundant Merseyside Civic Society and was instrumental in having the Churches Conservation Trust take it on.
Quentin in his book LIVERPOOL City of Architecture states “The Church was declared redundant and was supposed to be cared for against the ravages of vandals by The Churches Conservation Trust. How wonderful it would be if it could be converted into a museum of iron architecture in whose development Liverpool has played such a significant part. However it now looks as though the trust is abrogating its responsibility, disliking, the task of caring for city centre Churches". That was almost a decade ago.
Just who can you trust?

Liverpools Baltic Triangle. More than a 100 Properties Rotting. Does Anybody Care.

After the recent press release from the Daily Ghost regarding the upbeat story of how wonderful it all is about the Baltic Triangle considering some properties are being renovated by a North Vested Interest Development Agency grant. ( Its a shame none of the people who work in Oldham Hall Street do not go and take a look at the place). http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/liverpools-baltic-triangle-to-become.html

Well maybe it’s a start but the full reality, is this. We counted 100 properties in serious danger of crumbling, within a couple of hundred yards of each other, in the Baltic Triangle, and in serious decay.
This group of properties in Bridgewater Street are available to view from Louise Ellmans the "Dame of Dereliction" place of residence. It is my opinion she has become oblivious to the dereliction in her constituency. There are another 100 properties on the periphery of the Baltic triangle in the death throes, unless investment is made…..and it won’t be, unless people like her who are oblivious to decay take notice. I am not even to start with Berni Turner. As with this clutch the owners most are prepared to let them fall down. Why is there no one around to fight for them to be saved. The owners don’t care nor the polititions. Why?
The picture above shows the Anglican Cathedral and its proximity to abject rot. The Chairman of the council manipulated "Stop the Rot" campaign, that never stopped any rot, and was run by the Oldham Echo, was Bishop James Jones who wants to now dig up 7,000 bodies in St James Church just in point of the Baltic Triangle.
Where are the planners who rubber-stamp boring and bland blocks of flats in the same location and have no plans for good solid listed warehouses.

Where is Chris Griffiths, the dozy Buildings at Risk Officer funded by English Heretics Manchester Office. What about Glynn Marsden and Steve “Ronnie” Corbett at the Conservation(sic)office…nowhere to be seen? Hiding ducking below the parapets. Where is the Merseyside Civic Society? Where are the local press?

This block in Bridgewater Street at least part owned by Ebeneeza Selwyn, who I think is a disgrace to my proffession, is being used as mobile phone masts. Who passes a listed structure to be used as a mobile phone receptacle? Yes, its the Reichmarshal Nigel Lee our vainglorious planning manager and the leader in the heritage disaster that is Liverpool.
Seven thousand pounds a throw, the rent is for each mast that’s 21 grand a year in rent to keep it in the state of decay until they fall down and then coin it on the land. Its like a reward. They cant go wrong.
Hey but its alright the NWDA are in and investing in the area, just like they did in the World Heritage Site and those grey suited clowns don’t know how to balance the past with the future. So on the tail of this will be Frank McKenna’s Downtown Liverpool in Business Vultures ready to feed off the carcasses of what remains, ready to leave us with another mini Milton Keynes-On-Sea. I bet on it. 250 yards away from the Grosvenor-pool shopping Precient its a tale of two cities.

Mad Hatters Tea Party at St James Church.

Is Vic There....or is he in another world?

One would wish to give respect to the Clergy but what a group of Mad Hatters we have in Liverpool.

Here we have the Rev Small with some Idiot dressed as a white rabbit jumping up and down on the graves that they intend to dig up in St James Cemetery. You couldn't make this up.

They then enticed people in with the bribery of an Easter Egg for their kids to enable them to have a loaded questionnaire thrown to them.

Questions not included on said questionnaire.

1. Are we all mad.

2. Is Ricky Panter the Arch Deacon or the Arch Enemy.

3. We have put a giant neon bunny rabbit on the side of a church on English Heretics at risk register and are planning to dig up three thousand bodies to build a block of flats...is this Sacrilegious.

4. Is this proposed development an action that renders the Bishop in his post as Chairman of the Stop the Rot ( that doesn't stop anything) campaign untenable.

ENGLISH HERETICS

Last night was a consultation evening at St James Church.
I went with an open mind even being very dismayed about the plan to exhume 3000 bodies and build a block of flats on the cemetery.
All the usual suspects were there Louise Obrien from EH, Andrew Pearce from the MCS, Graham Ives from English Heretics. I could swear that during his speech he and the panel sprouted little red horns and barbed tails, it may have just been the light. Here we have a clear example of English Heretics being so out of touch that it is doing more damage than good.

So too are the Churches Conservation Trust whose representative Peter Aires was left in no uncertain terms as to the ill feeling regarding the plans to turn the Church into a piece of property development.
Louise Ellman MP who has watched the church deteriate and living closeby, for the last 10 years did make an appearance but said nothing.
The vicar Revd Neil Short is one of those fluffy characters just the type to organise a wine and cheese evening and a tambourine jamboree. He said he was from Burnley and had been the vicar in Burscough and responsible for the churches restoration there.
Philip Stott the business advisor spoke, he wouldn’t be my choice of accountant. He said it is going to cost 2 million to restore the church and a million to exhume the 3000 bodies and then they are going to lease back the land and church from a developer….its absurd.
There are 7000 bodies buried there in total.
You know when serving my apprenticeship there was an old saying don’t build on sand, it is clear you don’t want to build foundations on decaying skulls and ribcages of dead people either.

THE CHURCH NEEDS TO SHOW MORE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD.
This is like an Amityville Horror in the making.
Who wants a flat on an old graveyard?
A well spoken lady from Toxteth town hall asked the same question why not go back to the drawing board it is a bad idea.
A man at the back suggested why not take the road over at the end, the council own it…that is a good idea. If Trevor Jones can do it with public roads why can't the church.
A bloke called Ricky Panter who introduced himself as the Arch Deacon tried to argue the case but I had none of it.

English Heretics leave the dead alone and we the LPT will support the job to get it back into service….but if the Church carry on with the idea for grant aided exhumation and the ruination of the setting of a Grade II* listed building and we will fight them all the way.

I walked out through the graveyard and I swear I could feel the dead turning in their graves below my feet.

Wayne Colquhoun

GOD HELP US
Lets put a huge neon rabbit on the side of a Grade I listed building
What a really daft idea this is.....made worse by the fact that St James Church is on the English Heretic's national at risk register.

A open letter.

Liverpool Preservation Trust
11-13 Holts arcade
India Buildings
Water St
Liverpool L2 0RR

0151 236 1282
6.3.09
Bishop of Liverpool
James Jones

Dear Bishop Jones,
It is hard to fathom out in my imagination just how you could consider putting a giant neon rabbit on the top of a Grade I listed property. St James Church, which is on the English Heritage National at risk register and has been for some time.
Considering that the Church themselves has allowed it, is may I say incredulous.

The words sacrilegious spring to mind.

Even if it is deconsecrated a little more respect is required for our heritage we feel.

As our colleagues or we peruse the planning lists weekly it is even more alarming to suggest that this has been carried out without listed building consent.

As you are the Chair of the Echo Stop the rot campaign If I may be so bold as to suggest that this looks a bit like the Church shooting themselves in the preverbal foot and sets a very bad example indeed.

We understand that attention needs drawn to the plight of this building on the at risk register but really to put a big stupid neon lamp of a bunny rabbit is one step beyond.

1.Would you please advise me when and forward copies of the listed building consent and relevant planning permission.

2.Advise whether any fees for the renting of the space have been obtained.

3. Who gave permission for such an idea?

4.When this is coming down

I look forward to hearing from you by return.

Wayne Colquhoun

Chairman and Spokesperson

further reading

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=bishop-james-jones-branded-a-liar-who-dislikes-liverpool%26method=full%26objectid=21087043%

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/06/18/campaigners-battle-to-save-landmark-church-spire-and-tower-64375-21092678/

Lawrence Westgaph who has trawled through all the archives has advised me there is no evidence of any slave buried in the cemetry.

Lets all go on a Big Dig, with the Vicar, and up a load of bodies from the nearest graveyard.

This whole story is made worse as it is an idea by the very people who buried them .....the Church who now want to dig the burials up and build a block of flats.

Bishop James Jones is the Chair of Liverpool's Stop the Rot campaign that claims to save everything but in truth saves nothing.
Stop the Rot at the Church first and we in Liverpool may have a chance.

Councillor Mumby is great he is such a cuddly cushion, said my great,great,great,great Grandfather is buried here and I support the scheme..................he is a Mumby alright.

He is best leaving wishes to be cremated when he goes.


Liverpool News
Church plans to dig up 2,500 bodies, including slaves
Oct 8 2008 by Ben Schofield, Liverpool Daily Post


St James's Church, Liverpool
THOUSANDS of bodies could be exhumed by the Church of England under a project to help bring a historic Liverpool church back to life.
The Diocese of Liverpool cannot afford to renovate the historic St James Church in the shadow of the city’s Anglican Cathedral.
But it says it could bankroll a redevelopment by building a three-storey office and apart-ment block in the grounds.
That could mean having to disturb the last resting place of those buried at the church, including many former slaves.
Last night, a Diocesan spokesman confirmed: “Church records show that there may be the remains of 2,500 bodies that the Diocese may want to exhume and reinter.”
The Bishop of Liverpool, the Right Rev James Jones, is behind the vision to bring St James’s back to life.
Church authorities now want to dig test pits to find out what state the bodies buried there are in.
Strict guidelines control re-burial of human remains, and the interment process could still prove prohibitively costly.
The Diocese wants to build the block along Upper Stanhope Street, in Toxteth. The £8.7m project will include £1.9m of renovations to the church.
Rent-paying tenants in the offices and flats would provide an income for the church, which needs a new roof, extensive point-ing and a interior refurbishment.
Project leader Rev Neil Short said last night: “These explora-tions are vital to see whether we can carry on with the project to develop a new church at St James.
“We are very aware that work of this kind can create sensitivities among a number of people, and are keen to show that we are doing this in the most responsible way possible.
“We are taking expert architectural and archaeological advice on the best way forward, and will carry out all work according to legal guidelines.”
A spokesperson for the Diocese added: “We want to be honest and open. We don’t want people driving past the graveyard and seeing that there’s digging going and wondering what it is.
“The exciting thing is we’ve got a vision for a church to come back into use for the community.”
St James’s closed its doors in the mid-1970s, but the last burial was in 1898 and the Diocese says “very few” took place after 1851.
The Diocese are planning to build a block containing up to 20 units of “supported housing” over administration and conference areas. The flats will provide capital funds and income for the church, which will be connected to the block via its lobby. The building will have a footprint of around 1,200 sq m.
The ground floor will include offices, seminar rooms, a lounge, a kitchen and toilets.
Some of the office space will be leased on a long term basis. The Anthony Walker Foundation – set up in honour of the murdered Huyton school boy – has expressed an interest in taking on some of the offices. A public information document circulated by Rev Short adds: “The aim is to plant a creative open evangelical church in the centre of Liverpool to connect with the growing residential population and the huge transient population who work, socialise or attend university in the city.
“It will bring a transforming Christian presence into a largely unchurched area. Fundamentally, we hope that this will become a beacon church inside and outside the city and diocese of Liverpool.
“St James is a much loved treasure, a link to our history and of enormous townscape value.”
Having cost £3,000 to build, the church was consecrated in July, 1775, and is one of the oldest standing Liverpool churches. It is also thought to be the oldest British building using cast-iron pillars.
Many slave traders frequented the church and some of their slaves were baptised there. The Diocese thinks black slaves may be among those whose final resting places will be disturbed. It says it has been in discussions with Liverpool’s International Slavery Museum about the possible exhumations.
Richard Benjamin, head of the museum, confirmed he was work-ing with church representatives to look into putting on an exhibition about the history of St James.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/liverpool-columnists/peter-elson/2008/07/14/act-now-to-save-our-crumbling-heritage-sites-92534-21334575/