All Saints Childwall-And The Pathetic Diocese Of Liverpool, Out Of Touch, Out of Reach.

David Bartlett seems to have sold out, literally, his Dale Street Blues blog, has now become Dale Street Associates, giving a platform for his mates to put their ideas forward that would not usually be heard in the Daily Ghost. 

Talking of Ghosts, heres one for you, there's a church in Childwall that has a spare graveyard that no-one will notice if the local Church Disease, ermm, I mean Diocese whack an extension of top of.  And because those frocked types are all jolly good sorts no-one will object. Alleyuyha!
This time its Stuart Haynes for the church, on Bartletts blog, who gives us a misuided sob story about how those people who objected to the All Saints Plans, that were rejected by the planning committee, are standing in the way of the future. http://blogs.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/dalestreetblues/2011/09/if-we-are-to-preserve-the-past.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LiverpoolDailyPost-DaleStreetBlues+%28Liverpool+Daily+Post+-+Dale+Street+Blues%29


Only, its they, who got it wrong this time, over and over again they make the same mistakes.
How can you have such an out of touch regime as the Liverpool Church elders. Blaming everyone but themselves as usual.
Bishop James Jones was the Chairman of the Liverpool Echos, pitiful Stop the Rot Campaign, that saved nothing, someone should stop the rot at the Church.
http://www.liverpool.anglican.org/?p=34
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/01/08/bishop-of-liverpool-sued-by-bbc-100252-20325067/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/08/gayrights.religion

You may think, show a bit of respect here but my social contract with the local Diocese ended a long time ago when I attended a meeting at St James Church over plans to dig up 7000 bodies and build a block of flats on the churchyard. Poltergiest! St James Church Graveyard, a plague on your clergy's houses.

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
Are they all English Heretics at the Liverpool Diosese, or is it   just the ones I meet. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  


http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html 
 Here they usefacebook to promote  Mad Easter Party at St James.

So at last a bit of common sense by the planning comittee rejecting the montsrous plans to pile concrete over some poor dead persons skull, laid to rest, probally paying for the privilidge, in peace and tranquility.
Amen to those plans. Perhaps it wll teach the local clergy its they that need to learn respect for those they have to protect.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/09/07/extension-plans-for-all-saints-church-in-childwall-rejected-by-liverpool-council-92534-29376801/ Bartlett had written about the planning committee rejection, where he probably met Haynes. a Church Spooksmen said
“We remain convinced that our plans presented a visionary approach that enhanced the historic beauty of All Saints with facilities that would continue to enable this growing church to serve its community"
Is Ricky Pansdown behind this he usually is behind any ill tought out scheme proposed by the church.Here is a letter from George Fowler highlighting his concerns that appeared in the paper some time ago.



http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/11/all-saints-childwall-disaster-waiting.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOeYuvVGDPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childwall SAVE CHILDWALL CHURCH http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

Where now for the Doicese of Liverpool, pray for them,will you, they need help. 

In the meantime the powers in control wacked down the Welsh Chapel for a new era of..............being, a car park for Tesco.

GOD 'ELP US.http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/05/welsh-presbyterian-chapel-demolished-by.html

Liverpools Heritage Open Days

100 historic buildings across Merseyside will be open to the public as part of the Heritage Open Days.

Williamson Tunnels, West Derby Courthouse, the Ancient Chapel of Toxteth and all Three Graces.

Unusual attractions include the Wavertree Lock Up and a tour of St Helens Cemetery.
Sir Edwin Lutyen’s Crypt on Saturday, September 17.
You can learn about the building’s rich history and enjoy a range of performances in a majestic setting.

FOR more information on booking details, visit http://www.heritageopendays.org.uk/



But remember we still have a number of properties on the at risk register.

St Lukes Church
St James Church

Royal Insurance Building Dale Street

St Andrews Church  http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/08/st-andrews-church-rodney-street-call.html

Wellington Rooms http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/01/wellington-rooms-liverpools-disgrace.html
etc, etc, etc,
http://risk.english-heritage.org.uk/2010.aspx?rs=1&pn=1&crit=liverpool

Here is the list 

Call this Regeneration.

All Saints-Childwall-A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

This is a letter in todays Daily Ghost from Mr George Fowler.

I TOO was dismayed to read of the proposed cultural vandalism threatening Childwall Church. (Letters, November 4).


All Saints Church is beautiful, ancient and the most prominent feature of Childwall's history, its origins being mentioned in the Domesday Book.
It is the classic village church, standing in its own graveyard and garlanded in arboreal splendour. Its charm is owed to centuries of use and respectful care; its greatest value is as a symbol of religious constancy.
To tack on to this traditional church a modern, circular, extension – a so-called “church-rotunda” – would be tasteless to say the least.
Within the aged and straight(ish) churchyard walls would sit the ancient and straight-sided church, protruding from which would be a modern, circular church-carbuncle. It doesn't take Prince Charles to point out the obvious here!
The justification claimed for this desecration is vaguely given as it being part of an “Open to All” policy, and that the benefits of the “added uses” would outweigh the impact on the church setting and its historic fabric.
Well, on the other side of the (narrow) road a new church hall also is to be built, on the site of the current one. That is the proper place for secular activities and it should be designed accordingly.
All Saints Church, and its graveyard, are inspirational and visually splendid yet, sadly, the fabric and conventions within Childwall Church have already seen change in recent years with the loss of choir pews.
The church and grounds are not simply commercial assets waiting to be optimised; they are the very cherished image of Childwall itself. Those ambitious to embark upon superficial improvements should perhaps be reminded that they are only the stewards of Childwall's finest heritage, the essence of which has been sensitively preserved and passed down from generation to generation for 600 years or so. That is a very rich legacy, not one to be squandered, and I hope that we and future generations will continue to respect and enjoy it.

George Fowler, Childwall

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/letters-to-editor/2010/11/10/church-is-not-a-commercial-asset-92534-27630388/

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/10/04/extensive-revamp-planned-for-historic-childwall-church-100252-27393492/
It seems the Bishop James Chairman of the ECHO Stop the Rot campaign is getting his disciples to cover this with comments. You have to stop the rot at the church first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOeYuvVGDPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childwall


SAVE CHILDWALL CHURCH http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/07/henry-owen-john-same-old-english.html
What are English Heretics doing about it or the pathetic Conservation(sic) department of Liverpool City Council. They will probably put a shed on it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html

So here we have another attempt to dig up bodies by the Liverpool Arch Deacon and his crew.
We may have made them think about digging up 7,000 at St James Church in Toxteth.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html

Stop digging bodies up Bishop James.

 http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
I think its a pathological disorder in the Liverpool clergy, that they cant stop digging up graves.............Or do they not respect the dead and leave them alone.

Henry Owen John-Same Old English Heritage Rubbish.

ECONOMIC cutbacks mean the outlook is bleak for a range of Merseyside buildings deemed “at risk” by English Heritage in its latest report.
Here is last years report http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/06/english-heretics-report-what-load-of.html So whats new.


Among the areas highlighted in the heritage watchdog’s register for 2010 is Liverpool’s Duke Street conservation area. Alan Weston writes. http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/07/08/cutbacks-pose-risk-to-liverpool-and-merseyside-s-historic-sites-and-beauty-spots-warns-english-heritage-92534-26808322/
 In its new Heritage at Risk register, English Heritage uses Duke Street as an example of a development which was particularly badly hit by the recession.

It said: “Many sites remain compromised by recent unsustainable property values which can no longer be achieved, resulting in significant conservation deficits for a range of potential development sites.
“Without a continuation of substantial heritage-based regeneration funding, or a reversal in the economic climate, it will be particularly challenging to achieve a positive outcome for a range of key sites in the near future.”
A new addition to the English Heritage list of buildings at risk is the Grade II*-listed Greenbank Drive Synagogue, a 1930s art-deco building in Sefton Park.
The synagogue is now closed as a place of worship, but the local congregation still own and are looking to sell the building.
The report says it is “in need of substantial renovation and repair works to the historic fabric”.
English Heritage also highlighted the condition of Anfield cemetery – sometimes known as Liverpool cemetery – as “generally unsatisfactory with major localised problems”.

Despite this report English Heretics put up no fight to Liverpool City Council giving away the GradeII listed Stanley Park.

A number of other landmark buildings in Liverpool city centre remain on the “at risk” register, such as St Luke’s church at the top of Bold Street; the Wellington Rooms, in Mount Pleasant; the Royal Insurance building, in North John Street; the Church of St Andrew, in Rodney Street; the Church of St James, in St James’s Place; and the Stanley Dock north warehouse.

So whats new there the same old at risk register gets brought out again while the same old regional development director Henry Owen John, who has behaved, in my opinion more like a spiv spouts the same old story again while his boss Neil Cossons working for Liverpool Museums gave away the world heritage site http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/05/sir-neil-cossons.html While Peter de Frigerido now enjoys working for Peel holdings  http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/who-polices-heritage-police.html
And they give us the http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/wellington-rooms-liverpools-buildings.html same old same old Mr Owen John... The Wellington Rooms.... St James Church.... http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
St Andrews http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html The Royal Insurance on Dale Street that David  http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/liverpools-heritage-at-risk-royal.html That David Bartlet said was a mess http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/06/dale-street-blues-stinky-ink-finally.html
English Heritage said it would now be concentrating its resources on “stopping the rot” by arresting any further decay in significant historic places, so they can take advantage of any future economic growth.



 
Maybe if the little Lord Thurley who runs English Heretics had any idea what he was doing and stopped wasting money we would all have a chance
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/07/english-heritage-dumber-and-dummer.html
 
Henry Owen-John, North West regional director for English Heritage, said: “The combination of the economic downturn and an unfavourable exchange rate which reduces the value of European funding are factors in building projects either not being started or completed.”
 
As it happens you need to stop the rot at English Heritage who have watched while a billion pounds of European Objective One money was spent on amongst other things, building new apartments in the World heritage Blight while English Heretics funded John Hinchliffe to do nothing to protect it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/02/john-hinchliffe-liverpools-world.html
 
Here is one we did earlier
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/05/henry-owen-john-english-heretic.html

Joe Anderson to Save Liverpools Heritage............. with 700K

Yes, we have heard it all before. How Liverpool will be saved. The Fib-Dems told us so and then created Warrens War Zones. They even had a Historic environment champion Bernie Turner who took over from The Dame of Disaster Doreen Jones http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/05/liverpools-liberal-democrats-destroyed.html who passed plan after plan that destroyed the World Heritage Site. 47 listed buildings destroyed. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/Bernie%20Turner
So with a price of 17 million being foolishly quoted to save St James Church http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html we can tell this is another load of hot air. The new labour administration may mean well and we have to give them a chance, but they dont appear to be able to realise the scale of the problems that lie ahead.
Liverpool has had 10 buildings on the English Heretic At Risk Register for decades. While we have been binge building all around them, slowly they decay. St Andrews Church. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html 
Oh and there is the Wellington Rooms. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/wellington-rooms-liverpools-buildings.html

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/06/15/liverpool-council-to-spend-700-000-to-save-listed-buildings-at-risk-92534-26652271/
Liverpool council to spend £700,000 to save listed buildings at risk

Jun 15 2010 by Marc Waddington, Liverpool Daily Post
CITY leaders plan to spend more than £700,000 saving “at risk” listed buildings in Liverpool.

They hope to be able to keep money they would otherwise have to pay back to regional development bosses – who give the grant for the works – in order to continue the programme of repairs.

A number of sites across the city stand to benefit from the move. So far, more than £1.7m has been spent on projects since the “Buildings At Risk” project began in 2001.

In February last year, the council clawed back £277,535 it spent on repairing the Welsh Presbyterian Church on Princes Road. Rather then pay the cash back to the Northwest Development Agency (NWDA), the council hopes to invest it in other works in the city. Cllr Malcolm Kennedy, cabinet member for regeneration and transport, said: “Owners of buildings where we have carried out work always knew this money would have to be repaid. We have negotiated a deal with the NWDA that we can use this money to safeguard other historic buildings. This is a very sensible way of recycling money which the council is receiving and will benefit the city’s heritage.”

Sites which could potentially benefit from the retained money include St Andrew’s Church in Queens Drive (£9,750), the £6.6m restoration of the Florence Institute in Dingle (£150,000), and St Cyprian’s Church in Edge Lane (£50,000). Also, the report which went before the council’s cabinet on Friday, stated: “The council has received a verbal agreement for repayment of £125,000 in respect of statutory action taken at Seel Street, in the Ropewalks area.”

The council expects to receive £25,000 this year and £100,000 during the next financial year towards other work. The report adds that “further recovery of funding is at this time uncertain, although a further £301,000 is being pursued” in relation to funds the council has already spent on repair works in Shaw Street, in Everton, Duke Street, in the city, and Christ Church, in Kensington.

A spokesman for the NWDA said: “The funding agreement provides that any monies generated by the legal charges due to urgent works on the Buildings at Risk are to be re-invested into the initiative or repaid to the NWDA.”

It seems the Daily Ghost is now levelling itself up as the press office for Joe Anderson, making them look good........instead of asking searching questions. And in the meantime another one The Bethel Chapel in Penny Lane is about to bite the dust.

St James Church Handed Back to the City-God ‘elp Us

Here we go again. It was handed back by the Chairman (how many chairmans, can one man be) of the Churches Conservation Trust, Loyd Grossperson the Heritage marauder of Liverpool’s World Heritage Site.

The CCT have owned it for decades.
It is reported that this marks a milestone. Well Isay reported.
It is said this marked the first milestone on the road to a £16m regeneration project at St James In The City church, in Upper Parliament Street.
The Toxteth chapel is thought to be one of the world’s earliest surviving examples of a church supported by cast-iron columns.
Built between 1774 and 1775 by Cuthbert Bisbrowne, it served Liverpool’s West African, Caribbean and American communities, including many slaves.
But it has been owned by the Churches Conservation Trust (CCT) for the past 29 years. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
The congregation had to move out in the 1960s because of plans to extend the M62 into the heart of the city.
Yesterday, trust chairman Loyd Grossman officially handed the building back to the Bishop of Liverpool, the Right Reverend James Jones.

Mr Grossman said: “I have been chairman for almost three years now and one of the first things I did was hold a meeting in St James to listen to the various plans people proposed. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/11/loyd-grossman-lectures-us-on-heritage.html
“I think a huge amount of progress has been made in three years. We are very lucky we have got to this wonderful stage, where St James is going to be returned to use as a place of worship and to be a focal point for the community.“St James In The City is an historic church of global and national significance. We believe historic churches should be protected for future generations by bringing them back into the heart of community use.
“The bold and exciting plans from the Dioceses of Liverpool do just this.” http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html
The parish’s vicar, Rev Neil Short, said the first major piece of renovation will be to replace the church’s ailing roof. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html
His vision for the church also includes building a new block next to the centuries-old church containing offices, apartments and community facilities and should help pay for the restoration.
It was feared thousands of bodies would have to be exhumed from the cemetery to make way for the block, but other options are now being looked into.
Mr Short said yesterday: “It feels absolutely brilliant to take ownership of the church because we will be able to maintain the structure of this building.
“We will see this building in its original glory but we will also be able to refurbish it and make it suitable for the 21st century.”
He added surveys on the roof will be done shortly, and the parish is applying to a host of bodies for grants to fund the work.
picture and quotes courtesy Liverpool Daily Post http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/05/21/historic-church-handed-back-to-liverpool-ahead-of-16m-regeneration-project-92534-26490355/
Who fail to mention where the money is to come from.

So the Church as property developers are still pushing ahead to knock a block of flats next to this church.

And to think Bishop Jones is the Chairman of Liverpools Stop the Rot campaign.

Louise Ellman-The Dame of Dereliction-Time to Vote Her Out.

It is hard to believe that as an MP she can still be there representing the people in Warrens war zones without doing anything to help their cause She has become oblivious to dereliction she has seen so much of it since coming to stand in the Liverpool safe seat from Skelmersdale, all those years ago. Just what happened there, why did she leave?
pic What Louise sees every time she comes home near Wapping Dock where they have built more badly designed architecture to complement the trash that is out of keeping with the historic area.
Some of the areas in her constituency can be declared as bad as 30 years after the Toxteth riots.
Clevor Trevor Jones acted as a property developer while leading the City Council. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/08/knock-me-down-with-feather-its-clever.html He was all over her area like a bad rash, possibly making a fortune, while his wife was chair of the planning committee. I met with Louise about the knocking down of the last ships chandlers in the city by the Jones's, and asked her numerous questions. She knows how to play the game alright, just doing the amount of work to pass the buck to someone else.  http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/06/louise-ellman-mp-dame-of-dereliction.html  The International Garden Festival site is only just having work done on it, and its slow, after she watched for years whilst the Velodrome was dismantled from inside so they could build more houses. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/09/is-warren-bradley-really-that-thick.html  Then the city builds a convention centre on Kings Dock. Its called Robbing Peter to pay Paul.
In meetings with her and found her a complete and utter waste of space. As Chair of the Transport Select Committee she is presiding over Labour plans to stop the high-speed rail link at Manchester. What about Liverpool?
Relics such as St James Church http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  lie there rotting, 500 yards from where she lives, if she hasn’t flipped it. http://mps-expenses.guardian.co.uk/labour/louise-ellman/  http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/06/louise-ellman-why-wont-you-answer.html

The Dame of Dereliction is oblivious to decay, this what she http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/liverpools-baltic-triangle-more-than.html  can see this area from her lobby which is set back behind electric gates, so she can escape the abject poverty down the road. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/06/dlib-in-skip.html  While down the road http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-misery.html less than a mile away, and this. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/05/louise-ellman-anything-to-declare_26.html  And then she watches while 500 yards away from her house the build this with European cash http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/07/liverpools-ferry-terminal-bad-british.html  and this goes on with World Heritage views that she does nothing to stop despite the Labour Government telling Unesco its all fine. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/04/mann-island-is-penny-finally-dropping.html  While this happens up the road http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/06/well-its-hahnerman-house-again.html  And Charles Clover talks about the pathfinder’s part of Warrens http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/04/26/council-leader-warren-bradley-we-ripped-heart-out-of-liverpool-communities-100252-26317085/   War-zones http://condensedthoughts.blogspot.com/2010/04/warrens-war-zones.html  that has decimated the people of the Welsh Streets while she looks on. Ignoring the pleas of her public. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article7035090.ece 

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/03/27/liverpool-mp-distances-herself-from-son-s-business-which-sells-meow-meow-100252-26119468/  She says what legal drug, (at the time) her son deals in is nothing to do with her. Her son effectivly comes from one of the most deprived areas in the country, Toxteth.

You know what the Dame looks like she will get in again because of the pathetic turn out of her constituency, which is how she has stayed there for so long. http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/04/09/liverpool-s-riverside-constituency-tipped-to-have-one-of-the-lowest-voter-turnouts-on-polling-day-92534-26206067/  She abandoned the Dockers fight years ago. Picks her argument even negotiates them. http://condensedthoughts.blogspot.com/search?q=louise+Ellman  Try Correspondent for a liberal read.

 Her constituency has some of the poorest people in the country. Time to vote her out folks. We couldnt get any worse than her as some one in who becomes oblivious to decay and stands idly by while 500 yards away, from where she lives, while in Liverpool, the World Heritage Site is destroyed.
http://radioislam.org/islam/english/jewishp/britain/brown_lobbyist.htm  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Friends_of_Israel  http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2000/oct/22/letters.theobserver

St James Church-Liverpool’s Heritage at Risk No 4

This Church on the corner of Upper/Lower Parliament St and Park Lane may be the earliest remaining cast iron structure in Britain. Garade II*
This is the Church that had a giant neon Rabitt bolted to it without planning permission despite being in peril.
http://www.englishheritage.org.uk/upload/pdf/190609north_west_2009_har_register.pdf
PAGE 64 FOR LIVERPOOL
It is not a beautiful or monumental structure described by Picton as 'a plain brick building'. But this is none the less an historical architectural and engineering monument, of the greatest importance.

It is now owned by the Churches Conservation trust who, along with English Heretics http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  and the local Church elders are making, fools of themselves with plans to dig up 7000 bodies and build a block of flats on the graveyard……Poltergeist.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html
It is Norman in character with its small semicircular headed windows. Its architect was Cuthbert Brisbane who was working on land presented by Lord Sefton for a sum of £3000 raised by 27 shareholders prior to its construction. It was built in 1774-5.
Wrought iron and cast iron were to revolutionise church design and architecture in general in the 19th century. Here we see the precursor to the Albert Dock with its vaulted and iron columned spans and it also led to the more ordinary. Such as, Coleman’s Fireproof Repository, just up Park Lane. Cast Iron columns, the type we see in this Church are quatrefoil clustered, would make it able to build vast open spaces at minimum cost. Making it a valuable style of construction for Ecclesiastical designs.

There was an earlier church with pre-cast columns the Church of St Anne, in St Anne’s Street which was built in 1772. This has now been demolished.
This is on English Heretics National at Risk register and has been for a long time.

Bishop James Jones who supports the current scheme to smack a load of piles through the skulls and bones of the dead bodies in the graveyard, unmarked, as all the head stones have been removed should be ashamed of himself. This Church is more at risk from the people who should be looking after it than the elements. How sad. But how terrible would it be if it was vandalised or set on fire the same as was done St Andrews Church on Rodney Street. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html

£950,000,000 of European Objective One Money Liverpool has lapped up, by the fat cats, and you cant look after our heritage. Mr Bradley Fireman and Council leader, whose watch could make a visit with his appliance any day to put out a fire should take an interest. In Toxteth where his watch is, so much wasted opportunity still beckons decades after the Toxteth riots.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/St%20James%20Church

This once again is in the constituency of her shyness the “Dame of Dereliction” Louise Ellman, who is oblivious to neglect it seems to me.
Quentin Hughes was a Chairman of the then, now largely redundant Merseyside Civic Society and was instrumental in having the Churches Conservation Trust take it on.
Quentin in his book LIVERPOOL City of Architecture states “The Church was declared redundant and was supposed to be cared for against the ravages of vandals by The Churches Conservation Trust. How wonderful it would be if it could be converted into a museum of iron architecture in whose development Liverpool has played such a significant part. However it now looks as though the trust is abrogating its responsibility, disliking, the task of caring for city centre Churches". That was almost a decade ago.
Just who can you trust?

Louise Ellman MP, Why Wont You Answer Expenses Queries?.

I thought the days of arrogant politicians pulling the wool over our eyes in the current wake of the allegations to what the Thieving Bar-Stewards MPs have been up to it would bring about a new transparency.
The need for the public right to know whether their MP or a Peer has been bunged or not has never been questioned before, they appeared above that.
In my opinion, It is not just about expense claims it is about the side plate that goes with the Sunday feast.

I wrote to Louise Ellman on the 15th May and requested detailing of where her expenses could be found.
She then published a sample which included a claim of 64p for a Biro (you wouldn't would you) and details that, we the public, have paid for her toaster and a load of other stuff as part of the Westminster gravy train. It was later revealed that she claimed for a set of leatherette chairs.
http://condensedthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/05/ellmans-expenses.html
She has refused to answer all my requests for further information she even had the arrogant cheek to ask me where I lived to see if I was entitled to ask her questions. Madam this is why we are in this mess you MPs think we are plebeians, and we pay your wages.
I have lived in her constituency but on the matter of principle I advised her that operating a business for 13 years in her kingdom is enough for me and not to be so impertinent.
I knew she would be pedantic so I then decided to write to Gordon Brown and as yet I have not had a reply from him but yesterday I received a e-mail from the "Dame of Dereliction" Ms Ellman saying basically, stuff you, if you want to know about my details, its a FOI request.
This is tactics in my opinion, as that would take months. I replied.



Madam
I consider you are being rather pedantic and may I say arrogant to consider you do not have to explain questions raised in relation to your expenses to those who live and work in your constituency.
I consider I have made a reasonable request.
While most of my requested information may or may not be available elsewhere it is, in my opinion not for you to choose what you declare, as that was not part of my request for information which was clear and concise.
With this sort of attitude I consider that my course of action to contact the Prime Minister direct was the correct one.
I am sure his office will be contacting you shortly.
I would also advise you that it looks as if you are being deliberately difficult especially with the refusal to answer questions to those who you think may not live within your Riverside constituency.
I will give you a further opportunity to supply me with the requested information within the allocated time.

Wayne Colquhoun

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search?q=Louise+Ellman

It seems to me that whenever there is a problem with Liverpool's Heritage it is generally in her kingdom which includes the WHS.
If I recall she was on the Board of Liverpool Vision who muted the ideas that destroyed the WHS and if I am not mistaken I recall she was on the committee of the NWDA who funded the museum and the black granite monsters the "Three Grotesques" along with all the other ill thought out plans that was to be Liverpool's Renaissance, y'know we had architecture to rival Paladio and they give us Puff Daddio.
When I recently attended a meeting in St James Church where she was present I noted it was organised by Livserve Ltd. Bryan Gray is the Chairman of the NWDA he was also a trustee of NML as was Mike "Jackanory" Storey. Both Gray and Ellman were directors of LivServe and as such they want to dig up 3,000 bodies and develop the land.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search?q=st+James+Church
It seems we have been fighting for years, so much of her inability to identify problems....or is it.

These are my questions raised and it is now with the Prime Minister, I am not even saying she has done anything wrong I just want to know as I pay my taxes and rates and she represents my area.
My original request to which she has refused to answer is;

1. Details of where I can find, or a copy of your expenses for the past 5 years with details of any directorships you have whether paid or unpaid.
2.I also would ask you for any details of any payments in kind made to you or by you in the same period.
3.Any payments made to any members of your family.
4. A total of your income for that period.
5. Your Register of Interests for the same period.

Mad Hatters Tea Party at St James Church.

Is Vic There....or is he in another world?

One would wish to give respect to the Clergy but what a group of Mad Hatters we have in Liverpool.

Here we have the Rev Small with some Idiot dressed as a white rabbit jumping up and down on the graves that they intend to dig up in St James Cemetery. You couldn't make this up.

They then enticed people in with the bribery of an Easter Egg for their kids to enable them to have a loaded questionnaire thrown to them.

Questions not included on said questionnaire.

1. Are we all mad.

2. Is Ricky Panter the Arch Deacon or the Arch Enemy.

3. We have put a giant neon bunny rabbit on the side of a church on English Heretics at risk register and are planning to dig up three thousand bodies to build a block of flats...is this Sacrilegious.

4. Is this proposed development an action that renders the Bishop in his post as Chairman of the Stop the Rot ( that doesn't stop anything) campaign untenable.

ENGLISH HERETICS

Last night was a consultation evening at St James Church.
I went with an open mind even being very dismayed about the plan to exhume 3000 bodies and build a block of flats on the cemetery.
All the usual suspects were there Louise Obrien from EH, Andrew Pearce from the MCS, Graham Ives from English Heretics. I could swear that during his speech he and the panel sprouted little red horns and barbed tails, it may have just been the light. Here we have a clear example of English Heretics being so out of touch that it is doing more damage than good.

So too are the Churches Conservation Trust whose representative Peter Aires was left in no uncertain terms as to the ill feeling regarding the plans to turn the Church into a piece of property development.
Louise Ellman MP who has watched the church deteriate and living closeby, for the last 10 years did make an appearance but said nothing.
The vicar Revd Neil Short is one of those fluffy characters just the type to organise a wine and cheese evening and a tambourine jamboree. He said he was from Burnley and had been the vicar in Burscough and responsible for the churches restoration there.
Philip Stott the business advisor spoke, he wouldn’t be my choice of accountant. He said it is going to cost 2 million to restore the church and a million to exhume the 3000 bodies and then they are going to lease back the land and church from a developer….its absurd.
There are 7000 bodies buried there in total.
You know when serving my apprenticeship there was an old saying don’t build on sand, it is clear you don’t want to build foundations on decaying skulls and ribcages of dead people either.

THE CHURCH NEEDS TO SHOW MORE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD.
This is like an Amityville Horror in the making.
Who wants a flat on an old graveyard?
A well spoken lady from Toxteth town hall asked the same question why not go back to the drawing board it is a bad idea.
A man at the back suggested why not take the road over at the end, the council own it…that is a good idea. If Trevor Jones can do it with public roads why can't the church.
A bloke called Ricky Panter who introduced himself as the Arch Deacon tried to argue the case but I had none of it.

English Heretics leave the dead alone and we the LPT will support the job to get it back into service….but if the Church carry on with the idea for grant aided exhumation and the ruination of the setting of a Grade II* listed building and we will fight them all the way.

I walked out through the graveyard and I swear I could feel the dead turning in their graves below my feet.

Wayne Colquhoun

GOD HELP US
Lets put a huge neon rabbit on the side of a Grade I listed building
What a really daft idea this is.....made worse by the fact that St James Church is on the English Heretic's national at risk register.

A open letter.

Liverpool Preservation Trust
11-13 Holts arcade
India Buildings
Water St
Liverpool L2 0RR

0151 236 1282
6.3.09
Bishop of Liverpool
James Jones

Dear Bishop Jones,
It is hard to fathom out in my imagination just how you could consider putting a giant neon rabbit on the top of a Grade I listed property. St James Church, which is on the English Heritage National at risk register and has been for some time.
Considering that the Church themselves has allowed it, is may I say incredulous.

The words sacrilegious spring to mind.

Even if it is deconsecrated a little more respect is required for our heritage we feel.

As our colleagues or we peruse the planning lists weekly it is even more alarming to suggest that this has been carried out without listed building consent.

As you are the Chair of the Echo Stop the rot campaign If I may be so bold as to suggest that this looks a bit like the Church shooting themselves in the preverbal foot and sets a very bad example indeed.

We understand that attention needs drawn to the plight of this building on the at risk register but really to put a big stupid neon lamp of a bunny rabbit is one step beyond.

1.Would you please advise me when and forward copies of the listed building consent and relevant planning permission.

2.Advise whether any fees for the renting of the space have been obtained.

3. Who gave permission for such an idea?

4.When this is coming down

I look forward to hearing from you by return.

Wayne Colquhoun

Chairman and Spokesperson

further reading

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=bishop-james-jones-branded-a-liar-who-dislikes-liverpool%26method=full%26objectid=21087043%

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/06/18/campaigners-battle-to-save-landmark-church-spire-and-tower-64375-21092678/

Lawrence Westgaph who has trawled through all the archives has advised me there is no evidence of any slave buried in the cemetry.

Lets all go on a Big Dig, with the Vicar, and up a load of bodies from the nearest graveyard.

This whole story is made worse as it is an idea by the very people who buried them .....the Church who now want to dig the burials up and build a block of flats.

Bishop James Jones is the Chair of Liverpool's Stop the Rot campaign that claims to save everything but in truth saves nothing.
Stop the Rot at the Church first and we in Liverpool may have a chance.

Councillor Mumby is great he is such a cuddly cushion, said my great,great,great,great Grandfather is buried here and I support the scheme..................he is a Mumby alright.

He is best leaving wishes to be cremated when he goes.


Liverpool News
Church plans to dig up 2,500 bodies, including slaves
Oct 8 2008 by Ben Schofield, Liverpool Daily Post


St James's Church, Liverpool
THOUSANDS of bodies could be exhumed by the Church of England under a project to help bring a historic Liverpool church back to life.
The Diocese of Liverpool cannot afford to renovate the historic St James Church in the shadow of the city’s Anglican Cathedral.
But it says it could bankroll a redevelopment by building a three-storey office and apart-ment block in the grounds.
That could mean having to disturb the last resting place of those buried at the church, including many former slaves.
Last night, a Diocesan spokesman confirmed: “Church records show that there may be the remains of 2,500 bodies that the Diocese may want to exhume and reinter.”
The Bishop of Liverpool, the Right Rev James Jones, is behind the vision to bring St James’s back to life.
Church authorities now want to dig test pits to find out what state the bodies buried there are in.
Strict guidelines control re-burial of human remains, and the interment process could still prove prohibitively costly.
The Diocese wants to build the block along Upper Stanhope Street, in Toxteth. The £8.7m project will include £1.9m of renovations to the church.
Rent-paying tenants in the offices and flats would provide an income for the church, which needs a new roof, extensive point-ing and a interior refurbishment.
Project leader Rev Neil Short said last night: “These explora-tions are vital to see whether we can carry on with the project to develop a new church at St James.
“We are very aware that work of this kind can create sensitivities among a number of people, and are keen to show that we are doing this in the most responsible way possible.
“We are taking expert architectural and archaeological advice on the best way forward, and will carry out all work according to legal guidelines.”
A spokesperson for the Diocese added: “We want to be honest and open. We don’t want people driving past the graveyard and seeing that there’s digging going and wondering what it is.
“The exciting thing is we’ve got a vision for a church to come back into use for the community.”
St James’s closed its doors in the mid-1970s, but the last burial was in 1898 and the Diocese says “very few” took place after 1851.
The Diocese are planning to build a block containing up to 20 units of “supported housing” over administration and conference areas. The flats will provide capital funds and income for the church, which will be connected to the block via its lobby. The building will have a footprint of around 1,200 sq m.
The ground floor will include offices, seminar rooms, a lounge, a kitchen and toilets.
Some of the office space will be leased on a long term basis. The Anthony Walker Foundation – set up in honour of the murdered Huyton school boy – has expressed an interest in taking on some of the offices. A public information document circulated by Rev Short adds: “The aim is to plant a creative open evangelical church in the centre of Liverpool to connect with the growing residential population and the huge transient population who work, socialise or attend university in the city.
“It will bring a transforming Christian presence into a largely unchurched area. Fundamentally, we hope that this will become a beacon church inside and outside the city and diocese of Liverpool.
“St James is a much loved treasure, a link to our history and of enormous townscape value.”
Having cost £3,000 to build, the church was consecrated in July, 1775, and is one of the oldest standing Liverpool churches. It is also thought to be the oldest British building using cast-iron pillars.
Many slave traders frequented the church and some of their slaves were baptised there. The Diocese thinks black slaves may be among those whose final resting places will be disturbed. It says it has been in discussions with Liverpool’s International Slavery Museum about the possible exhumations.
Richard Benjamin, head of the museum, confirmed he was work-ing with church representatives to look into putting on an exhibition about the history of St James.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/liverpool-columnists/peter-elson/2008/07/14/act-now-to-save-our-crumbling-heritage-sites-92534-21334575/