All Saints Childwall-And The Pathetic Diocese Of Liverpool, Out Of Touch, Out of Reach.

David Bartlett seems to have sold out, literally, his Dale Street Blues blog, has now become Dale Street Associates, giving a platform for his mates to put their ideas forward that would not usually be heard in the Daily Ghost. 

Talking of Ghosts, heres one for you, there's a church in Childwall that has a spare graveyard that no-one will notice if the local Church Disease, ermm, I mean Diocese whack an extension of top of.  And because those frocked types are all jolly good sorts no-one will object. Alleyuyha!
This time its Stuart Haynes for the church, on Bartletts blog, who gives us a misuided sob story about how those people who objected to the All Saints Plans, that were rejected by the planning committee, are standing in the way of the future. http://blogs.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/dalestreetblues/2011/09/if-we-are-to-preserve-the-past.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LiverpoolDailyPost-DaleStreetBlues+%28Liverpool+Daily+Post+-+Dale+Street+Blues%29


Only, its they, who got it wrong this time, over and over again they make the same mistakes.
How can you have such an out of touch regime as the Liverpool Church elders. Blaming everyone but themselves as usual.
Bishop James Jones was the Chairman of the Liverpool Echos, pitiful Stop the Rot Campaign, that saved nothing, someone should stop the rot at the Church.
http://www.liverpool.anglican.org/?p=34
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/01/08/bishop-of-liverpool-sued-by-bbc-100252-20325067/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/08/gayrights.religion

You may think, show a bit of respect here but my social contract with the local Diocese ended a long time ago when I attended a meeting at St James Church over plans to dig up 7000 bodies and build a block of flats on the churchyard. Poltergiest! St James Church Graveyard, a plague on your clergy's houses.

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
Are they all English Heretics at the Liverpool Diosese, or is it   just the ones I meet. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  


http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html 
 Here they usefacebook to promote  Mad Easter Party at St James.

So at last a bit of common sense by the planning comittee rejecting the montsrous plans to pile concrete over some poor dead persons skull, laid to rest, probally paying for the privilidge, in peace and tranquility.
Amen to those plans. Perhaps it wll teach the local clergy its they that need to learn respect for those they have to protect.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/09/07/extension-plans-for-all-saints-church-in-childwall-rejected-by-liverpool-council-92534-29376801/ Bartlett had written about the planning committee rejection, where he probably met Haynes. a Church Spooksmen said
“We remain convinced that our plans presented a visionary approach that enhanced the historic beauty of All Saints with facilities that would continue to enable this growing church to serve its community"
Is Ricky Pansdown behind this he usually is behind any ill tought out scheme proposed by the church.Here is a letter from George Fowler highlighting his concerns that appeared in the paper some time ago.



http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/11/all-saints-childwall-disaster-waiting.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOeYuvVGDPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childwall SAVE CHILDWALL CHURCH http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

Where now for the Doicese of Liverpool, pray for them,will you, they need help. 

In the meantime the powers in control wacked down the Welsh Chapel for a new era of..............being, a car park for Tesco.

GOD 'ELP US.http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2011/05/welsh-presbyterian-chapel-demolished-by.html

All Saints-Childwall-A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

This is a letter in todays Daily Ghost from Mr George Fowler.

I TOO was dismayed to read of the proposed cultural vandalism threatening Childwall Church. (Letters, November 4).


All Saints Church is beautiful, ancient and the most prominent feature of Childwall's history, its origins being mentioned in the Domesday Book.
It is the classic village church, standing in its own graveyard and garlanded in arboreal splendour. Its charm is owed to centuries of use and respectful care; its greatest value is as a symbol of religious constancy.
To tack on to this traditional church a modern, circular, extension – a so-called “church-rotunda” – would be tasteless to say the least.
Within the aged and straight(ish) churchyard walls would sit the ancient and straight-sided church, protruding from which would be a modern, circular church-carbuncle. It doesn't take Prince Charles to point out the obvious here!
The justification claimed for this desecration is vaguely given as it being part of an “Open to All” policy, and that the benefits of the “added uses” would outweigh the impact on the church setting and its historic fabric.
Well, on the other side of the (narrow) road a new church hall also is to be built, on the site of the current one. That is the proper place for secular activities and it should be designed accordingly.
All Saints Church, and its graveyard, are inspirational and visually splendid yet, sadly, the fabric and conventions within Childwall Church have already seen change in recent years with the loss of choir pews.
The church and grounds are not simply commercial assets waiting to be optimised; they are the very cherished image of Childwall itself. Those ambitious to embark upon superficial improvements should perhaps be reminded that they are only the stewards of Childwall's finest heritage, the essence of which has been sensitively preserved and passed down from generation to generation for 600 years or so. That is a very rich legacy, not one to be squandered, and I hope that we and future generations will continue to respect and enjoy it.

George Fowler, Childwall

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/views/letters-to-editor/2010/11/10/church-is-not-a-commercial-asset-92534-27630388/

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/10/04/extensive-revamp-planned-for-historic-childwall-church-100252-27393492/
It seems the Bishop James Chairman of the ECHO Stop the Rot campaign is getting his disciples to cover this with comments. You have to stop the rot at the church first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOeYuvVGDPE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childwall


SAVE CHILDWALL CHURCH http://www.savechildwallchurch.info/

http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2010/07/henry-owen-john-same-old-english.html
What are English Heretics doing about it or the pathetic Conservation(sic) department of Liverpool City Council. They will probably put a shed on it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html

So here we have another attempt to dig up bodies by the Liverpool Arch Deacon and his crew.
We may have made them think about digging up 7,000 at St James Church in Toxteth.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html

Stop digging bodies up Bishop James.

 http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
I think its a pathological disorder in the Liverpool clergy, that they cant stop digging up graves.............Or do they not respect the dead and leave them alone.

St James Church-Is A Bit Of Common Sense Happening At Last

Has The Reverend Neil been caught "Short".

 http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/01/04/plans-to-build-over-thousands-of-graves-in-a-liverpool-churchyard-are-set-to-be-dropped-92534-25518985/  Ben Schofiels writes; The vicar who planned to build over the buried bodies vowed there would now be “minimal” disruption to his city centre cemetery.

It had been feared a huge new block being built next to St James church, on Upper Parliament Street, would concrete over a historic burial yard.
But new plans are now being considered that could see the new addition put up away from the graveyard.
Liverpool Diocese wants to see St James, which was built in 1775, brought back into use after it closed three decades ago.
Last year, it announced plans to build a “mixed use” block containing offices, apartments and community facilities in the graveyard. Rent-paying tenants would provide an income for the parish and help bankroll the estimated £2m building renovations.
The church needs a new roof, extensive re-pointing to brickwork and an internal overhaul.
Initial plans were to build the new block parallel to the church.

But now another proposal has emerged which could see the block set at the eastern end of the church, running along the disused Chesterfield Street. Rev Neil Short, the vicar of the new parish of St James in the City, said all the options were still being considered.
But he added: “We want to minimise disruption and if building on Chesterfield Street is a viable option, then we want to pursue that.
“We’re keen to look at everything that’s possible and to collect all the information and then to talk to everybody involved, then to decide what’s best.

Yes we bet they are seeing as they have been exposed as nutters http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html  with a plan to dig up 7000 bodies out of the churchyard of St James (not the Cathedral Cemetery) on Parliment Street. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html Has Ricky the Arch Deacon or the Arch Enemy Panter whatever way you look at it been caught with his pantsdown http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/Ricky%20Panter  kidding us that the Church would pile drive through a couple of thousand skulls to lay foundations for a block of flats so they can raise fears.

It seems they are now saying they wont do this at all but build the flats on the road next to it, and in doing so still altering the setting of a Grade II * listed buildings.

I like to show respect for the clergy but this bunch of buffoons dont deserve any, they really dont.

The Bishop is Chair of the Echo Stop The Rot campaign that didnt stop anything.

Short, who should stick to wine and crackers evenings, rattling his tamborine, is mad, he goes on. But the reality is I can’t say – we have to look at all the options, collect the information and decide what’s best.”

Rev Short is determined to make an impact in his community.
He has certainly made an impact on me as a joker, a mad hatter who wants to make a name for himself.
His evangelical congregation started out with just him and his wife.
That has since grown to more than 30 adults and around half a dozen children.
The state of the church had meant they held their services in Liverpool Cathedral.
But now a marquee has been put up inside the church to keep worshippers dry.
Another tent is on the altar and acts as a creche for children.

How did the Church get in this state in the first place.......because it was left yo rot the only reason it has not been felled by the local clergy is because someone had the foresight to list it. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-james-church-liverpools-heritage-at.html
If this was ever the case to write a blog, to alert people to the dangers of Liverpools Heritage, to shame them into stopping making mistakes well this is it.
Bible Bashers acting as property developers what ever will they think of next.

St James Church-Liverpool’s Heritage at Risk No 4

This Church on the corner of Upper/Lower Parliament St and Park Lane may be the earliest remaining cast iron structure in Britain. Garade II*
This is the Church that had a giant neon Rabitt bolted to it without planning permission despite being in peril.
http://www.englishheritage.org.uk/upload/pdf/190609north_west_2009_har_register.pdf
PAGE 64 FOR LIVERPOOL
It is not a beautiful or monumental structure described by Picton as 'a plain brick building'. But this is none the less an historical architectural and engineering monument, of the greatest importance.

It is now owned by the Churches Conservation trust who, along with English Heretics http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/english-heretics.html  and the local Church elders are making, fools of themselves with plans to dig up 7000 bodies and build a block of flats on the graveyard……Poltergeist.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/04/mad-hatters-tea-party-at-st-james.html
It is Norman in character with its small semicircular headed windows. Its architect was Cuthbert Brisbane who was working on land presented by Lord Sefton for a sum of £3000 raised by 27 shareholders prior to its construction. It was built in 1774-5.
Wrought iron and cast iron were to revolutionise church design and architecture in general in the 19th century. Here we see the precursor to the Albert Dock with its vaulted and iron columned spans and it also led to the more ordinary. Such as, Coleman’s Fireproof Repository, just up Park Lane. Cast Iron columns, the type we see in this Church are quatrefoil clustered, would make it able to build vast open spaces at minimum cost. Making it a valuable style of construction for Ecclesiastical designs.

There was an earlier church with pre-cast columns the Church of St Anne, in St Anne’s Street which was built in 1772. This has now been demolished.
This is on English Heretics National at Risk register and has been for a long time.

Bishop James Jones who supports the current scheme to smack a load of piles through the skulls and bones of the dead bodies in the graveyard, unmarked, as all the head stones have been removed should be ashamed of himself. This Church is more at risk from the people who should be looking after it than the elements. How sad. But how terrible would it be if it was vandalised or set on fire the same as was done St Andrews Church on Rodney Street. http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/2009/10/st-andrews-church-rodney-st-liverpools.html

£950,000,000 of European Objective One Money Liverpool has lapped up, by the fat cats, and you cant look after our heritage. Mr Bradley Fireman and Council leader, whose watch could make a visit with his appliance any day to put out a fire should take an interest. In Toxteth where his watch is, so much wasted opportunity still beckons decades after the Toxteth riots.
http://liverpoolpreservationtrust.blogspot.com/search/label/St%20James%20Church

This once again is in the constituency of her shyness the “Dame of Dereliction” Louise Ellman, who is oblivious to neglect it seems to me.
Quentin Hughes was a Chairman of the then, now largely redundant Merseyside Civic Society and was instrumental in having the Churches Conservation Trust take it on.
Quentin in his book LIVERPOOL City of Architecture states “The Church was declared redundant and was supposed to be cared for against the ravages of vandals by The Churches Conservation Trust. How wonderful it would be if it could be converted into a museum of iron architecture in whose development Liverpool has played such a significant part. However it now looks as though the trust is abrogating its responsibility, disliking, the task of caring for city centre Churches". That was almost a decade ago.
Just who can you trust?

Mad Hatters Tea Party at St James Church.

Is Vic There....or is he in another world?

One would wish to give respect to the Clergy but what a group of Mad Hatters we have in Liverpool.

Here we have the Rev Small with some Idiot dressed as a white rabbit jumping up and down on the graves that they intend to dig up in St James Cemetery. You couldn't make this up.

They then enticed people in with the bribery of an Easter Egg for their kids to enable them to have a loaded questionnaire thrown to them.

Questions not included on said questionnaire.

1. Are we all mad.

2. Is Ricky Panter the Arch Deacon or the Arch Enemy.

3. We have put a giant neon bunny rabbit on the side of a church on English Heretics at risk register and are planning to dig up three thousand bodies to build a block of flats...is this Sacrilegious.

4. Is this proposed development an action that renders the Bishop in his post as Chairman of the Stop the Rot ( that doesn't stop anything) campaign untenable.

ENGLISH HERETICS

Last night was a consultation evening at St James Church.
I went with an open mind even being very dismayed about the plan to exhume 3000 bodies and build a block of flats on the cemetery.
All the usual suspects were there Louise Obrien from EH, Andrew Pearce from the MCS, Graham Ives from English Heretics. I could swear that during his speech he and the panel sprouted little red horns and barbed tails, it may have just been the light. Here we have a clear example of English Heretics being so out of touch that it is doing more damage than good.

So too are the Churches Conservation Trust whose representative Peter Aires was left in no uncertain terms as to the ill feeling regarding the plans to turn the Church into a piece of property development.
Louise Ellman MP who has watched the church deteriate and living closeby, for the last 10 years did make an appearance but said nothing.
The vicar Revd Neil Short is one of those fluffy characters just the type to organise a wine and cheese evening and a tambourine jamboree. He said he was from Burnley and had been the vicar in Burscough and responsible for the churches restoration there.
Philip Stott the business advisor spoke, he wouldn’t be my choice of accountant. He said it is going to cost 2 million to restore the church and a million to exhume the 3000 bodies and then they are going to lease back the land and church from a developer….its absurd.
There are 7000 bodies buried there in total.
You know when serving my apprenticeship there was an old saying don’t build on sand, it is clear you don’t want to build foundations on decaying skulls and ribcages of dead people either.

THE CHURCH NEEDS TO SHOW MORE RESPECT FOR THE DEAD.
This is like an Amityville Horror in the making.
Who wants a flat on an old graveyard?
A well spoken lady from Toxteth town hall asked the same question why not go back to the drawing board it is a bad idea.
A man at the back suggested why not take the road over at the end, the council own it…that is a good idea. If Trevor Jones can do it with public roads why can't the church.
A bloke called Ricky Panter who introduced himself as the Arch Deacon tried to argue the case but I had none of it.

English Heretics leave the dead alone and we the LPT will support the job to get it back into service….but if the Church carry on with the idea for grant aided exhumation and the ruination of the setting of a Grade II* listed building and we will fight them all the way.

I walked out through the graveyard and I swear I could feel the dead turning in their graves below my feet.

Wayne Colquhoun